Heart Wisdom “Metaphors: What are they?” Updated for 2024

Updated: May 11, 2024

hello welcome to Spring Forest Chicago's heart wisdom talk I'm Glenn Tobey my responsibility is to guide you know a Spring Forest Chicago trainer or instructor or practitioner around a certain topic that they've devised you know that addresses heart wisdom for me I've had the pleasure and honor of having really so many people who are studying and practicing and teaching spring for Chicago and they all provide really an interesting kind of tweak on different particular things off of Master Lynn's teachings so today we have kind of an unusual thing for me Jerry well if you master a Chicago Master will be you know joining our conversation and usually I have a little conversation with it with participants you know beforehand I get a little couple little talking points so that you know in my own security you know I have some sense on what we're going to talk about a little bit of a direction you know just some sort of a parameters or platforms so Jerry you know sent his um like little talking points and I almost like have no idea what our conversation is going to be like and that's why I like Jerry who I've known for many many years I always like working with him you never know what uh what this guy is gonna look at or talk about so the topic is really meta metaphors what are they or metaphors for healing so when I look at that title I start going already hmm I had to look up what's the metaphor just to make sure I have some idea what that means and I realize it really has a lot to do with like you know the importance of words and how they're conveyed and then in Jerry's conversation today you know it's about really learning and knowing from a different perspective so I want to welcome Jerry you know well look to our conversation today and Jerry if you wouldn't mind just giving up a little thought a little warm up for yourself about um who you are a little bit and maybe we'll immerse ourselves in your great conversation okay thank you Glenn I'm happy to be here with you today and uh I for with some of my favorite people and on my favorite topic so this is a real joy for me I'm a master's of course Qigong and I've been uh with Master Lynn and a follower of his teachings for about 23 years now so it's uh it seems like it's just a short period of time it's gone so very very fast but it's it's uh so I'm a master healer a certified instructor and uh practitioner great thank you Jerry so how about if we uh move along from there and if I ask you how did you decide upon the title of this conversation where'd that come from okay so my topic is something like what are metaphors for uh we're using them all the time it's uh it's how we convey information and I I didn't realize um I mean until years after I'd already been you doing things in storytelling how powerful they really are and uh uh I had the opportunity to work with some great teachers and uh who pointed out that oftentimes [Music] people sorry about that my office is downtown Duluth so you got we got the neighborhood in here got the neighborhood actually that's actually that's maybe a signal for us to go deeper so yeah actually we can utilize anything that's happening around us it's one of the things about storytelling but uh when I first realized uh or I guess was pointed out to me how much we rely on stories and how much I was using stories without knowing that I was doing it was uh I was co-teaching with a friend who's now become a long time friend but we were co-teachers when I was in my graduate program at the University of North Dakota the guy's name is Art Spring and he would say he said something one day he says he quoted Albert Camus and he said this quote he said it's all together fitting in proper to talk about one thing in terms of another and that caught my attention so I I delved into that a little bit more about what what does he really mean by that in art had recently come from the Peace Corps he had to leave the Peace Corps because he had issues with heat he couldn't uh you know it was just too hot for him so but he had learned so much from his working with people in different parts of Africa about the use of metaphor in the metaphors that they used and then he he had a reputation of being a master of the metaphor so when I first when I first started working with art um I thought that I was going to be teaching him because his background wasn't in special education and we were teaching the foundations in special education course and what I found out was that when I let go of my idea about how to teach I realized that he was really the master yeah it's funny like that yeah and so at first I was confused and that was I didn't realize how that was such an important part of the whole thing because I had to let go of what I thought I knew and uh that was I mean it just happened over and over again just to give you an example the name of the course was foundations in special education like an overview of working with kids with exceptionalities and differences um and he I chose a book I had been teaching that course at Saint Cloud State University and had taught the course numerous times I was using a book by Norris Herring called behavior of exceptional children and then the text that he chose were Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll and Never Cry Wolf by Farley Maud and at first I thought my gosh what does this have to do with it you know it's just like so I mean we it just kept opening up new things for me and I mean at the time this was back in the late 70s uh when I was doing this work and um I I thought it was about storytelling but the more I've worked with Master Lynn and spring Force Qigong now I have come to realize it's more about listening story listening and when you really get quiet then you start this tuning into the metaphors that we're using that we don't know that we're using so could you could you say a little bit more about that because when I was starting our little introduction here and you talked about Camus and I had that sense that this is like another way of knowing like there's one way of knowing something here's the literal sense and here is the the order of things those are great scientific kind of ways of knowing things but here you're hinching at in a Broad Bay it really is another way of knowing things like it's uh something you were saying about really deepening yourself in the story you know it's really about the listening something deeper than the actual you know things that went on in the story could you say a little bit more well I I didn't realize everything that we've ever done is a resource every experience we've ever had and sometimes we just take it for granted and really it's it's such a gift no matter what our background has been we can look at it and it it really is a gift I spent the first 15 years of my life on a farm in Iowa and I didn't realize uh how powerful the oral stories were that they were using metaphors about uh about the weather about the growth of plants about the timing of when it's when it's time to go and plant and I mean just little things I used to just think my dad was unusual about some things um but he had at one time you know before I mean earlier in his life he had a farm accident and he'd had a issue with his left elbow but he had this feeling when the sun was going down at night he would have a feeling a signal whether it was going to be raining the next day or if it was a good day for us to go out and cultivate and it was just it was just like at the time I thought well you know this is just one of dad's weird weirdisms but now I realize that he was getting some kind of a signal and it was actually where he had a wound where he was had a kind of a special gift I mean seems kind of unusual but oftentimes [Music] so it's almost then you're saying even the injury to the Elbow it wasn't just his Consciousness about his elbow you know I have a hurt elbow he's like no it's deeper than that here's the hurt elbow but there's a deeper story of what that means now yeah and see he had there were lots of ways of his knowing that you know I'm now realizing I mean he that he died in 1960 when I was oh I was 14 years old but at that time uh I didn't realize you know that I really wasn't a handy person on the farm you know and that was kind of right early on it was kind of obvious that I wasn't going to be a farmer in a way the stories I was kind of like the kind of person that uh soaked so much in that I didn't know that I was taking in yeah and so I realized that he was very much and he gleaned from them strategies that they used and then Incorporated him and I feel that's what I do now in Spring Forest Qigong I'm a master but I feel like I'm just like dinner in so many ways because I still have this love of I wonder I wonder what's special person is so for instance I've been the last few weeks just so much enjoying the Spring Forest Qigong you know every day Qigong with different leaders and each of them brings something just a little bit different we're doing the same curriculum so to speak but everybody has just a certain little picture and you know I didn't realize that until people in you know in the Spring Forest Community Deborah Lynn was one of them who pointed out that my use of stories and poems and metaphors was like my signature right so right so oh my gosh that's a gift I have that I want to I like that part about myself that I love stories and I love poems and I find I associate poems with moments just some special moment that I had with somebody and then something may have happened and I associate with that with that as a poem or a story you know um I want to get back to that in a second but as you're talking now you know like Deborah has said this about you the storytelling it says not only is there another way of knowing it's like when I talk to Jerry or when Jerry talks I need to have another way of listening yeah instead of Jerry will you get to the scientific point in your story can you tell me exactly what's going on with the story no I am telling you but not like a scientific message there's another way that you need to listen to what's going on in your stories in your metaphors because you you use them not just oh let me tell you a story oh let me tell you another story I mean your metaphors your poetry has a specific purpose why you select it or why you write it yes um what I would say is that it's very it's paradoxical and it's like what you know if I had to just put in a nutshell what I think I'm my purpose and what I'm good at is a master of the unknown because I want to know so that if I can just be quiet and get into this very still place of listening I can then connect with this person and find out what metaphor or what how that person is knowing and it's like I don't want to know ahead of time because I don't want to have this expectation I want to be in the moment and the word that comes up for me I think Master Lin is a master of refinement and always making things better and looking at how can we make this more powerful and more deeper you know longer last amount of time [Music] my mind is Improv like we're always doing improv so when I come to you today I don't want to have it all laid out and saying okay I'm going to have a date with Glenn today I'm going to have a meeting with Glenn I'm good here's what I'm going to say this is how we're going to say it no I want to just come and say this is Glenn today this is this day in June 2023 and I'm a different person than I was than when I gave a presentation six months ago or even if I talked on the same topic before it's not the same we're different so are you saying then in the metaphors in the story that you tell is it now a specific purpose like I might have a hundred different stories I could share oh no this is the one that's going to fit in in this situation I'm paying attention to my audience so to speak or to those around me in order to teach through the metaphor through the story therefore requires someone to listen to what's going on not just oh that was a good story that's very profound I'd say come with a purpose to be on purpose all the time and I mean just the power of a word like education the word education comes from the Latin education which means to bring forth from within so if I'm in this situation with you and I'm in this place where I'm an educator which is what I believe that's where I am at the core as a teacher educator then I come to this in my purpose in that sense is to bring forth the best fourth best part of you to light you up to ignite your Chi so that in our interaction by me being the best Jerry Wallach I can be I can bring forth from Glenn Master Glenn Toby the best of him in this situation in this improv interaction that we're having today and we're we're here on a specific topic what are metaphors for well therefore us going deeper because if we just give the facts and we just stay at the you know kind of the scientific level I mean this really is a science it's it's so science in an art all at once it's not like now we're doing science now we're doing art it's like everything is happening at once so to be my best is that I be paying attention so then your intent seems like how can I tell a story that has a depth to it that's going to cause the cause but influence that the other person can come almost better than me you know smarter than me because of the the goal is to help them understand life so they become more aware than perhaps you or I [Music] as we're going deeper and I think that's the thing about as we go deeper you don't even realize you're doing it that you're using the story you don't even know that it's a story you lose yourself in this and and one of the images that keeps coming up for me or a feeling is the farmer knows how important the roots are so if you're planting something you have to have the roots go deep so it's at the root level and I think of that with my work now with Spring Forest Qigong is that when we go deeper we get to the root of things the root of whatever yes plants trees weeds whatever and they all have a purpose and I mean and I just I I think of something that's really uh almost humorous for me uh when I grew up sunflowers were a weed and so that when like this year we'd be out there and we'd have to dig those sunflowers out and they were pretty tough to get out they had a pretty tough root system but when the first time I made my trip to Grand Forks North Dakota where I studied and looking out the window there from Highway 71 on the trip from Fargo to Grand Forks and I see all these fields of sunflowers and I think what what are we and they're growing weeds in their enrolled and I mean so I mean that I'll never forget that whole trip because um it was it was just I mean it was not you know only about 200 miles from where I am right now but it was like being in a different place it was like this is so interesting and just for that short kind of distance from where I am in Minnesota and from where I grew up in Iowa I mean there were different metaphors and different things that were valued and there were terms that I started learning the first one of the first terms that was kind of a lot of dust in the air the day that we my wife and I and our at that time our daughter was like five and she had long pigtails and there was this dirt that was coming and by the time we got to Grand Forks uh Heather had all of this dirt in her hair and in her pigtails and went into the Student Union and somebody said oh that's snort smart never heard of that a snirt was a combination of snow and dirt and it was a term that they use up there so it's just like oh my gosh I just have to pay attention you know I could have started thinking oh gosh these people they they talk such a weird way well no that was the culture so it was like again another way of listening yeah but so many things happening at once that not even knowing that you're doing it it's just you're such a part of it and I think you know [Music] go ahead I I do have a question for you but finish your thoughts well just like you know I just at that time it was like a little bit like when something seems brand new to you you like you're learning everything like so much at once and I think that's what I like about myself is that I can come to a situation and be like a total beginner you know one of the titles that you were toying with before you know over the weeks where you're getting ready was metaphors for healing could you say a little bit how directly you know is connected to uh healing which is really such a powerful part of Spring Forest Chicago yeah so I what I would mean by that is when you simply change the way you're viewing something that it changes the meaning and the story that you're taking in so it's like when something occurs to you and you have some kind of a symptom it's really a message it's a good thing and I like there's a poem I've used many times uh in in this poem there's a term marvelous error and it's like a marvelous Terror we thought we wanted one thing and we're getting something else and we would like to think of it as an error but it was a marvelous error the universe was giving us something different so um wow so some somehow like a marvelous error can almost then penetrate you know kind of a defense I might have I'm not going to listen to this I made a mistake all that oh wait a minute I might have thought I made a mistake I made an error but wow it really is beautiful a marvelous error it showed me more yeah if I can just recite a little bit of that poem it's it's called last night as I was sleeping by Antonio Machado the second verse is of the one I like so well and this is translated by Robert Bly he was a Minnesota poet who just died a couple years ago he did a lot of translations of machado's work in other persons but the second verse goes well if I can do the two first verses last night is I was last night as I was thinking I dreamed marvelous error that a spring was breaking out in my heart and I said along with secret aqueductal water are you coming to me water of a new life that I have never felt before last night as I was sleeping I dreamed marvelous air that I had a beehive here inside of my heart and the golden bees were making white combs in sweet honey from all of my old failures so the metaphor that that is headache and I mean that was in my case I had these headaches before I started working with Master Lin and uh I just want to get rid of those headaches I mean it was just like oh my God and now I realize that was the signal that hey there's Jerry there's some things that you're doing that bringing this out I mean one of the first things that I learned that was a very simple thing is I was drinking more coffee I mean I just like the I was just drinking coffee instead of drinking water and I mean and then I went through this period of when I had to wean myself away from coffee the headaches got worse until we started you know because I wanted to change it right away and it was like uh I kind of blackheaded an addiction but now I look at that as saying my gosh that was such a good learning thing and the fact that I had these eggs now I feel like I can I'm pretty good at working with people with headaches yeah and and several other things I had I mean things that didn't think could change but this was back in 1999 I'm a Vietnam vet and you know I was diagnosed with you know PTSD and you know all of those kinds of things and part of it I was diagnosed with some kind of a bone disease that they figured that it was not going to change you know there was there was I had to just like live with it and uh all of the symptoms of that have gone away it's changed I have this idea I mean I have this image in my mind that my bones are nice and strong and every time I drink water and every time I eat foods that are healthy for me when I'm eating some nuts or I'm this is really medicine for my bones so what I what would appeared to be something to be a negative thing I think now well all I have to do is let I let go of that idea that is permanent just look at everything is everything every moment we can change by changing the metaphors and our way of thinking about it [Music] please hold this I I was going to ask you what what the influence roomie had on you but maybe you can combine the two yeah okay that'd be good yep I will do that I'm gonna just make a note of that of what influence roomy that's a great question but just like the meaning of a word um you probably know I realize I've been working with Nancy habera and suling besano how for some time on our um handbook and how to use Spring Forest Qigong and when I first was coming onto the project they'd asked me if I wanted to be an editor and I I had this idea of editor is you know because I worked in Academia for years and editing was like correcting papers they had to be done um APA style American Psychological Association style and I I I didn't like that term of editor I didn't think I would be good at it or wanted to do it and then in a conversation I mean I felt like we were always lifting each other up I mean it was just so much fun working on this project and it didn't seem like work at all you know the couple times I told Nancy I said I don't think like I'm doing anything but I've changed my idea about that now and we were just doing so much just by lifting each other up and paying attention but at one point suling said um editing really means refining it doesn't have anything to do with correcting and then just in my mind oh my God this is what we're doing all the time and I was thinking of editing is correcting the just the difference of that one word I started thinking of it differently and then started valuing what I was doing because I was feeling like we're just improving this we're just trying to refine and make it better so just that one word of and I think that happens with this so frequently is we use a word and it brings up experiences or connotations that [Music] means something else is somebody different so just a quick insert that's what you're talking about earlier about now listening to another way that that word editing was spoken about and when you listen deeper then it brought you to a New World so to speak mm-hmm but your question yeah yeah when I first got introduced to roomie I mean it was uh it was again it was just like this is kind of confusing this is uh but but I felt good when I was doing it and what I found and actually I was given a book by a friend of mine he was my advisor longtime friend a book on Rumi and um his counterpart sounds of trebreze and that first book when I read it it was like my gosh this is how I want to be the relationship of these two people of how shot when they met it was like it was like some brand new worlds opened up and and what they started doing Rumi these poems just came out of him spontaneously they were just like oral things that were just coming from and that just seems so powerful to me it's like well that's like what when good stories are coming to you they just flow through you and it's about the relationship but the whole community that Rumi belonged to some 700 you know years ago was a community for opening the heart and I thought my goodness that's what Spring Forest Qigong is about and the most important part of it is how we relate to each other and how we come together and I mean people have told me this over and over again about why they like Spring Forest Qigong in for me also is that I feel like it's a group of people that come together we treat each other like we're a family the most important person that I'm with and we I feel like rather than it's not competition but it's it's uh we're trying to bring forth the best from each of us so that we become better ourselves and so the more we give away the more we get so just that idea of It's that kind of a community and I've commun I've connected with several people I I find it pretty easy for me actually to learn poems by heart when I love a poem I can learn learn it by heart and one of the poems if I can re recite a roomy poem for you uh and I carry poems in my pocket I know this is home very well I know this poem very well but I like to just have it with me just you know so and the name of it is some kisses go ahead what was the name of it yeah some kisses whoa some some kiss we want okay so it goes like this there is some kiss we went with our whole lives the touch of spirit on the body sea water begs the Pearl to break its shell and the Lily how passionately it needs some wild darling at night I open the window and asked the moon to come and press its face against mine Breathe Into Me close the language door and open the love window the moon won't use the door only the window [Music] so I recited that poem many years ago at a level for um gathering at uh um and I'm not just going to say Brainerd but at the uh Superior Shores where we meet is that what it's called again Superior shorts yeah and anyway um anyway after I had recited that poem Emily Jared Hughes whom I co-teach with now said you know something about that that was that just went directly in it was just like a connection with her so I'm coaching with her now and oftentimes recite that poem because it brings back that feeling of the connection and I felt like there was a direct with lots of other people and I don't exactly know how it works but the lines close the language door and open the love window the moon won't use the door only the window and so the images that I get is the moon is that Lord that light in the lower down chin it won't it doesn't want the language door it wants to open the love window it's the love another way of listening we're not talking about the moon coming through the through the window that's just an image it's that deeper connection of what that means beautiful yeah and then I mean it's like um and one of the things that some of the simplest things that masterlin has taught me and from the practice of Spring Forest is I I guess I knew it but I didn't know it the way he puts it into simple thing but he said learn from your students they're your teachers and that because I I have kind of a interesting thing I taught that Saint Cloud State I was a university Professor I'm still Emeritus and doing some things with poetry and Spring Forest so I still feel like I have a connection but I had like 20 couple of 22 23 years before I got into Spring Forest I was a teacher a professor and then about 20 some years later so about two sides of my career and when I'm when I moved into Spring Forest Qigong I moved up it was just it became such a different different thing and it became so much more about listening to the students and I didn't have to be such a I didn't have to have all of the knowledge because I was really drawing the knowledge from inside of them that's already there however I think also Jerry that you you have equipped yourself with so many experiences so many thoughts so much you know uh reading and reflecting meditating so you have always been trying to fuel or fill yourself with all sorts of things almost in your kind heart how can I find a way of connecting what I know in my heart to someone who needs to hear that information for their heart and then what language or what story can I use for my own experiences that will connect Into the Heart of someone else yeah so using them using the metaphor connect you know to the healing in another person yeah and everything is kind of like a metaphor I have a cup here and uh I have some water in it well the whole idea of like I can just think of the cup is I have to have a full cup myself that's the one says that to be able to help others so I can be practicing Spring Forest Qigong every moment of my life filling my cup so that I have a variety I have a repertoire of tools that I can use so that I have a whole lot of tools and then if I have 50 Tools in this cup let's say I can deal with lots of different people in different situations but if I just had one tool and there was a quote from Abraham Maslow who I was kind of fond of Abraham Maslow used to say if the only tool you have is a hammer you tend to treat everything you meet as if it were a nail and for me that's like okay that's kind of like I need to have a lot of tools because yeah you know not everybody's a nail some of them are you know different you know it's just different parts of the metaphor so I think everything I've studied a lot of different um approaches as you have you know as a psychotherapist you've probably studied a lot of different modalities to get to where you are now but I think like I've taken some from each of them and seeing how I can incorporate it but right so spring Spring Forest has been um a paradigm that everything and I I really admire what the training that you and uh and Katrina and others have been doing through spring Force because we want to have people have their own individual signature but still we have to have these common Universal things and that's basically what I've been dealing with ever since I've been a teacher is how do we do that so that you don't lose the essence by following something that's takes us actually away from the path so we have to know you know it's just like you have to continue the examine what is the way and I mean I think of that too as like gosh the way for me you know I I've learned so much about just reading and rereading and understanding some of the dowdy ching and just I mean every time I teach a class you know I run something into somebody that asks some great questions that helps me to start wanting to dig into it in another way but the the way I understand that the first verse of the taudi Ching is if you think you know what it is that's not it right if you say what it is that's not it and you know you mentioned uh my my task as a psychotherapist it's almost like every time I see somebody I might have seen them for two years or three years or their first time it's almost like I asked them at that moment you know what is it that you want to talk about even though we've been talking for 10 years or two years or two days now your life is what new now what it is is it that you need today to make sense of some or what story can I share with you today given what's going on in your life so say could you share do you have a poem to kind of maybe bring this together sure time that we have okay I remember the one of the last times I was with you I uh you asked if I had a poem and then uh I I just didn't have one so uh I wrote a poem gosh let me see where did I put it I called it a song huh I don't know that I have that poem right here I'll do a different one uh I'll do a different poem um what's that correct please no please go ahead I'm tomorrow today's Tuesday no today's well anyway this week I'm doing um I do a poetry we call it poetry drop-in and I'm doing poems on trees and you know our friend Shane krukow from Iowa Falls Iowa he has he has this connection with trees and uh uh you know trees and he he built his place on this rock I mean those stories about fire metaphors there are are so powerful but I'm I I've learned this poem by heart it's called trees and whenever I see a tree now I think of like that connection with Shane and how I want to relate with trees but this is by WS Merwin it's called trees goes like this I'm looking at trees I'm looking outside right now because I can see a pine tree here I'm looking at trees I they may be one of the things I will miss most from the Earth many of the ones I've seen already I cannot remember and though I seldom remember the ones I see or although I seldom embrace the ones I see and have never been able to speak with one I listen to them tenderly their names have never touched them they've stood around my sleep and when they was forbidden to climb them they have carried me in their branches and uh just lately I've been I'm going to be teaching that poem this week and I look at trees and every time I see a tree now I see my goodness I see this pine tree and it's about 30 feet tall but I imagine the roots are exactly that deep as well so I say oh my gosh the root of this is and I have a much greater appreciation for trees now because it's just like it connects me and I have that feeling of the stories that sometimes we've connected on and and people have given me stories on trees I have uh Nancy Avera just sent me one just this last week by a poet that I had never heard of I don't know it by heart yet but it's like every time I go back to that poem I'm saying a deeper appreciation of what trees are so it's like a metaphor for things and the poem that I should I hit I wrote this poem and I called it song and right now um where did I put it so this is kind of part of me too sometimes I misplace things and I'll have to think about that as being a resource so next time it'll have a reason to come back I have I have this poem I wrote about song that song is you know it's a feeling it's a it can be a something that we sing but it's also a way of being to being in that song and that's what I'm striving to be in this song so that it flows out like a roomy poem I don't maybe it's better that I don't have it right here but it just flows through me and it comes through in the way it's supposed to come through today so like okay so maybe yeah so maybe the looking for the the written word of the song is part of that metaphor looking for the song however it's Yet to Come yeah say could you could you uh close us out a little bit of the short little meditation a little bringing back to our hearts yeah okay um I'm just glancing at the time so I'll just do this a very short one so make yourself comfortable and drop your shoulders be sure to put a smile on your face smile is so so important smile on your face and then visualize the light in your lower dantian beautiful glowing light like a little Moon and you tell that light to purpose so you set the intention could be physical mental spiritual and then imagine visualize as if it's already accomplished so you're setting that intention of and already giving thanks for it as you're setting the intention thank thanking the universe for bringing that into being then let that light float up to the middle that the end just below the physical heart and visualize the light there okay and it gets more expansive and bigger and you the heart opens up like that heart of that just at a community of roomies Community there it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger the light gets bigger and bigger and you feel that light how powerful you are and inside of that light there's just a tiny little spark that Divine Spark that's the essence of the whole thing just [Music] notice that spark that little light and hold it in your mind and feel how good it feels to know that that's always there that connection with the divine and now there's just one place just to choose one place in your body where you feel like it would be would benefit from opening that and making that place open up and bring the light to that place and feel feel that light just get very powerful and expansive and feel how good it feels with the message completely healed that light that's inside of us and that we get from the Divine that we get from [Music] just and know that it's already accomplished and then let that light go back to the back to the physical heart and then down to the lower Dan Tien and take re-purifying breath and rub your hands together nice and warm and massage the face and the size of the ears it's like here's a little tug at the bottom and uh every cell of the body smiling and I I somehow I've got this little giggle I thought of a quote from uh there's a guy named Wolfman Jack this might be before your time long time ago there was this guy on the radio his name was Wolfman Jack and you say the shortest distance between two people is a smile so I like to think of that as every cell of the body smiling it connects us and just a little thing like smiling and letting the cells smile it'll bring much cheer and joy to us and so I thank you for having me today well once again Jerry thank you so much our hearts are connected you're a friend to my heart and with my heart and so we'll we'll end now have a good time goodbye thank you bye until next time

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